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Alex Hazel
Posted Sep 05 - Read on Facebook

Thoughts??

19 Comments

Alex Hazel
Koen Bok

Velocity is a really good library to code production animation. It works on a wide array of browsers. I helped Julian add the Framer RK$ spring to the project, so it should be pretty easy to re-use the values.

Noah Tsutsui

I have been following Famo.us for while, but I'm wondering if anyone actually uses it (besides you, Alex). I don't hear about it very often. Does it actually have a foothold in the industry?

Noah Tsutsui

Has anyone started using Form? I just heard about it today on Product Hunt. It seems like a replacement for QC Origami. (ignore the 404, it works) http://www.relativewave.com/form.html

Koen Bok

Form looks like a great future contender for QC. But they will have to add a lot of things that Origami already provides like easy scrolling/dragging etc. (I just played with it for 30m, so take it with a grain of salt).

Edward Sanchez

Man, busy space! Pixate, Form, Origami, FramerJS…

Tarun Chakravorty

i use greenscok in addition to framer and its really useful to have them both together!

Noah Tsutsui

greenscok? There's another one??

Alex Hazel

Holy **** Pixate looks AMAZING

Edward Sanchez

Pixate has a lot of potential for sure. But is currently limited in what you can achieve - which is why I chose framer. When there are limits with framer there's always regular JavaScript or other frameworks you can use on top.

Alex Hazel

I dunno. I would rather use jQuery, Velocity.js, Sass, and HTML5 and manually do everything. My demands are too complex and every step I take I hit a wall with Framer that I could easily bypass if I was doing it manually. The tool is just not there yet. I might buy it after like 5 more releases. Even Axure is more comprehensive and easier to use than Framer. The only huge upside to Framer are the animations.

Edward Sanchez

Alex, out of curiosity, can you give me an example of something you could do with your tools which you can't do with Framer Studio? Cause you can always combine frameworks and use regular JavaScript on framer studio, not just Framer.JS. That way you have framers animations as well as anything else you need.

I'm yet to hit a major block with the tool, so I'm interested to learn what it is about your needs that makes Framer inadequate.

Alex Hazel

"Cause you can always combine frameworks and use regular JavaScript on framer studio, not just Framer.JS. "

Exactly. Framer fulfills very little of what I need. All I would use it for is animation interactions. But Velocity.js makes this very easy. I just don't see the need to go through Framer for it. Just another tool with bugs and restrictions that I have to learn. Also, I am only familiar with jQuery and not straight JS. So now i have to learn Coffeescript or JS which is also holding me back.

I would rather just combine iScroll.js, hammer.js/touchswipe.js, velocity.js, jquery, and tinyaccordion.js and create my complex web app.

An example of a workflow I need to create would be a 3-tier accordion that opens, animates, and scrolls to the top of the page. And it needs to be close to production quality. And this interaction needs to be embedded in the web app with multiple pages, sections, and other interactions. (For instance, doing a two finger swipe anywhere on the page brings in an overlay.)

Framer is really poor in event detection and prevention. I am going to be running the gamut of events in this app and there are going to be complex checks and balances that need to take place to avoid collisions.

I see Framer being a boon to people that are strictly designers but I need it to do more.

Noah Tsutsui

Sketch integration, states and Framer Mirror... I can't really overstate the value of these features.

Alex Hazel

I don't need framer mirror. I have an Apache web server running on my desktop machine. I just navigate to my local machine on my device and I can see my prototype. Once the URL has been entered I just hit "refresh" to see changes. I don't use Sketch, I use Photoshop. (though I do love the "drag and drop" WYSIWYG aspect of Framer which is nice) And states are easy. Especially with jQuery and Velocity.

Alex Hazel

Don't get me wrong. I am a very active member of this community and I love what Framer is trying to do. I want to see it succeed. All I am saying is that at this point, I feel as though it's holding me back more than it is pushing me forward. I am sure I will buy it in the future once it has matured some more.

Noah Tsutsui

I guess you're unimpressed with how nicely these have all been packaged. I mean, technically everyone has apache... So I have to save the doc to my apache root, maybe run chmod on the Documents directory... Then load up the prototype... engineer asks me why there is browser chrome one it ("why does this look like a web page?"), so then I have to load up Clear Browser or make a webclip (which still has the damn status bar), THEN, something needs to be changed by 2px, so I have to refresh the page, which again is a PITA in a webclip or Clear... Or... Framer Mirror! Open FS Mirror, type the URL, it works and looks like a native app! Need to make a change? Hit save! The prototype updates in 1 second without any additional interaction. Less time tapping, more time designing. That's the point of FS and FS Mirror.

Alex Hazel

Well, I have one client and that client is my private company that I work for. We are not making native iOS/Android apps. We are creating web apps with a native look and feel so that we can remain device agnostic and not be locked into the rules and regulations of any app store or require our clients to own a certain piece of hardware to use our software.

This app needs to work on a desktop with the browser chrome visible and it also needs to look and feel native on a mobile device.

The programmers and analysts don't need a fancy presentation. They need to see the proposed designs and interactions so they can start coding and testing. Presentations are for upper management. And upper management does not touch any of my stuff. I set it all up for them and I drive the presentation.

90% of the time, I am the only person that is going to be viewing the output.

I understand the benefit of this being so nicely packaged and I really do love Framer. And for a freelancer or someone with multiple clients, I can see how this removes the hassle from presenting your ideas to them.

But worrying about the presentation is not a concern that I have here because things are different in my scenario. I am focused on complex UI, UX, and design.

Also, remember, Framer Mirror is a brand new feature. Up until now, it was not available. I really do like the Mirror aspect of Framer. I will have to research that some more. Like I said previously, the software just needs to mature some more before I fully invest into it. It's just a matter of time.

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